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Questions and Some AnswersFrom Email
Questions and Some Answers
From Email

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We are getting a lot of email at The Car Source. Many of the questions are well worth sharing, someone else might have a similar question. So here are some of best emails that have come in. Last change was April 17, 2005.

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Hi, I'm interested in finding out if there is a repair manual or something similar to Chilton's for the 1970 Shelby GT500. Would you happen to know if  there is one and where I could find it?  Thanks for the help,
Maria 

Maria, There is no "repair" manual for a Shelby. Shelby's are Mustangs with Shelby add ons. The 69-70 are much closer to stock Mustangs than the other years, except for the cosmetic pieces.

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Hi. My name is Vince. There were two Shelby Cobras that I used to see racing in the northwest in the sixties, one, CSX2459, driven by Lew Florence and the other, CSX2290, driven by Monte Shelton. Would there be  any way of finding out where these cars are now? Thanks.

take a look at the latest copy of SAAC's registry.

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Which 1968 Shelby GT is the fastest?

On top end the 68 KR was the fastest, and in a quarter mile. That Cobra Jet engine was designed for drag racing. Now we are talking stock from the factory cars. On a road course, with turns, the 65 GT 350 was the best race car. Handling and weight ratio. 

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Does anyone know the story about why some of the 67 Shelby's have a rear mounted antenna?  Does it mean anything if one did not have one? Any and all information would be helpful.

 Thanks,
Steve "67 GT 500 #397"

The fiberglass hood would not attenuate AM radio ignition noise. So the antenna was moved to the rear, farther away from the engine. '68s had their  antenna in the rear also. Actually, some did and some didn't. I own a 68 GT 350 and the antenna was in the front before I put on new fenders. But the antenna cable to put it in the back was ALSO in the car. 

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hello I have a friend that has a 68 Shelby GT 500 and I was wondering if there was a wiring diagram as far as under the dash and to the lights etc. available somewhere thank you -Kelly

Yes it is available. I do not have a full wiring diagram myself. The Ford shop manuals have that info as I understand. I have a Haynes manual which is pretty complete. I do know that I tried to figure out how my heat gauge was set up from the diagram and it took this book and another one to figure it out. 

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Shelby also worked for Dodge in the mid-80's and produced cars. The 89 CSX was a very rare car, only 500. 
How come you didn't include this on your website (at least mentioned the Shelby-Dodges?). You number that
states that there were only 14,914 shelby cars produced is misleading. Thanks,Tommy89 CSX #104 

Tommy, my site is dedicated to Ford powered cars only. Yes, Shelby did work with Dodge and Lee Ioccoca in the 80's. I would like to add those cars to the carsource with other performance cars, but I do not know anything about them. 

As for the 14,914 Shelby cars produced, that is a correct number. Shelby did not produce any Dodge cars. He contributed to the specs for modifying the cars but they were built in Dodge/Chrysler factories. The Shelby Ford powered cars were shipped from Ford to Shelby's facilities to be modified, except the Cobras. 

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You seem to know a lot about the Shelby, my question is- -Would you know where a person could purchase a 1967 Shelby gt 500 ?

Join SAAC and get their monthly newsletter. Every month there are lots of Shelby's for sale. Check out Hemmings Motor News. Come back to thecarsource. We are putting up a new classifieds to have the best source of these cars on the net. All SAAC members will be able to list ads for free.

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Does it make a difference if the title lists the make as Ford rather than Shelby?  Rick

Not if it is a Shelby

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What were production numbers for the 1968 GT 500KR?  thanks  jd

look here 
http://www.TheCarSource.com/shelby/production_figures.shtml

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I am looking for a 1968 Shelby 500 GT to fix up and restore. And I was wondering if you knew where I could purchase one. I don't want one that is already fixed up. I can't seem  to find any to fix up. Any information you can give  will be helpful. Thanks for your time.  Robbie

Hi, I am 16 and looking for a car, I live in Iowa and I was wondering if you know of a salvage yard where I could get a good fixer upper ya know, like an old mustang GT or Shelby Mustang. Well thank you, bye.

These cars have been collected since being built. The demand is higher now and so is the price. I rarely hear of one like you are looking for. About 75% of these cars are accounted for. That means there maybe another 25% out there somewhere. But understand that if someone finds one it is unlikely they are going to advertise it for sale as is. The demand is too great. I could sell as many of these as I could get my hands on. I get lots of emails every day asking the same as you. Now there are ones out there that someone else has already restored . I think your best bet is to find an older restoration that could use some refreshing. Buy one that someone else has already dumped money into. In the long run if you can find one like that it will be cheaper for you and a better place to start. Normally it is tough to recover money poured into an old car. You end up selling it for less than you have in it, particularly if you hired much of the work done. Hemmings Motor News and SAAC are the best sources for Shelby Mustangs for sale. 

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I am looking for a Shelby GT 500 not 350I would like to find one that I could restore myself I would like one with a low amount of rust, also it has to be cheap. I know this is a long shot, but if you could tell me of one or tell me where to look for one it would be much appreciated. It doesn't matter what year, but I like the 68's.

Cheap and Shelby should not be used in the same sentence. It is will almost impossible to find one that is in the condition you ask for. These cars have been collected since they were built. I still hear of ones around the country in that condition but... Check out Hemmings Motor News and join SAAC for cars for sale. The GT 500's are bringing premium prices. I heard of a 68 in So. CA for $70,000. Now that is restored of course or at least I would hope so. Kind of expensive otherwise. If you could find one, expect to pay $15-20,000 for one needing work

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Hello Dennis, Nice site! Looks like you must spend quite a bit of time maintaining it!  I purchased my 69' GT500 in May of 1997. I don't know much about engines and  know very little about the 428 CJ engine so I relied on the restoration shop  who specializes in Mustangs, Shelby's, and big block Fords to rebuild the  engine.  The shop sub-contracted it out and it came back running strong. Unfortunately,  the bill I received just says "Parts and Motor Rebuild" to the tune of $5,100.  Again, cars and restorations are new to me but I'm thinking I need a heck of a  lot more details on what was done and what went into that engine.  My question is: What should I request for documentation on the engine rebuild?  Can you share with me a list of items that I should have documented for this
rebuild?  I've heard the terms balanced and blueprinted but don't know what they mean   and I don't know if this was done either.  Can you provide me any guidance?
Sincerely,  Steve, Seattle, Washington

Steve, Thanks for the compliments. I don't spend as much time as the project needs. Labor of love... So you told them to make your engine better, huh? That sounds like a lot of money, and it is, especially if you weren't expecting that, but it if was done right that's a decent price.

You need to know everything that was done to it. What new parts were used? A list would be nice with the specs of each new part as appropriate. For that money I would suppose you got new pistons and it was blue printed and balanced. Ask for an itemized list of what was done to it. Ask what the compression is as well.

Blue printing and balancing makes an engine work the best it can. When an engine leaves a factory it perfectly set up to operate efficiently. During a blue printing and balance all the moving parts are examined, polished ( burrs and excess metal removed to get rid of the weight.) Each moving part is balanced, sort of like balancing a tire so it operates more efficiently. The result is you have a far more efficient engine, more horse power, and an engine that should last you forever. You also should be able to get more fun from it knowing that it now is set up to run like the racing engine it is.

I know that sounds like a lot of money but it is a good investment in your car. The value just went up.
Dennis

 

Margaret  wrote: I saw a picture of a 1968 500 KR red, with white racing stripes running down the hood and down the trunk lid. Does anyone know if this is original or was a option for this car? Ron ,troxell@cfw.com


In 1968 the stripes were a dealer installed option. To my knowledge no 1968's had stripes from the factory. I own a 68
myself. When I repainted it I seriously thought about adding the stripes but didn't. (My circle of friends talked me out of it. Said the car would stand out enough without the stripes. They are eye catchers!) Thanks for asking  Dennis

My buddies and I are having a discussion about the 0-100 and back to 0 times  for the cobra......could you email us back with the stats.......   thanks,  luv you home page  Aaron

Aaron, Thanks for the comments on The Car Source.com.
The 427 Cobra went from 0-60 in 3.5 sec. From 0-100-0 in 13.8 sec. Dennis

Hi:
I'm Phill From Holland, and I'm looking for the" SHELBY OWNER CLUB OF   AMERIKA" or another Shelby club.
do you know something?  It's for a friend of mine and he has a 1970 Shelby 350 GT.   Thank you!!  Phill

Hi, The national Shelby club is Shelby American Automobile Club (SAAC) the home page is http://www.saac.com. There are regional clubs all over the country. I belong to Upper Midwest Region of SAAC in Minneapolis MN http://thecarsource.com/umrsaac as well as the national club.
Dennis

 

I WAS WANTING YOU SEE INFORMATION OR SEE IF SOMEONE COULD   CONTACT MR. SHELBY IF HE KNOWS OF ANY SUCH MAVERICK  ED

There were no official US Shelby Mavericks. In fact the Shelby American stop building Shelby Mustangs in 1970. The Mavericks came after that. Apparently there were about 300 Mavericks that were Shelbyized in Mexico. None are known to be here. Dennis

Hi, I am interested in purchasing a 1966 Mustang Shelby GT350 replica. The car is very close to being an original in looks and mechanicals. It is also in 1st place show condition & I have seen it win at several shows. My questions are: It started as a 6cyl Mustang. Is this a concern? The 1966 clear window is not there. It has 1965 gills. Were there any "early" 66's like this? The asking
price is 18K. The owner will sell it to me for 16K. Is it worth this? I would appreciate any help you may have to offer. Fred

You would be buying a modified 1966 mustang. What makes it worth $18,000. A hot engine, a perfect restored body? The numbers don't match so it the value is not based on authenticity. So it looks like a 66 GT 350, that sells for about twice the asking price, only the plexiglass rear window is not there? How about the side scoops?

Honestly, without having seen the car that seems like a rather high price. What is a restored 66 fastback going for with the original v-8, probably less than $16,000. What make this so special to be worth $16,000? I mean does it have one heck of a hot engine, is rebuilt for autocross racing with gas shocks, a 5 speed with racing harness and you can vintage race it, maybe... The restorer may have
that much in it, but I wouldn't give $16,000 for a modified 66 fastback. I'm not sure I'd pay that much for a stock hipo 289. Dennis

Dennis,
Well it took me 52 years to finally get into a position where "I think" I can finally afford to purchase a Shelby Mustang. In my quest to find one, I ran across your site on the Web and you seemed to me to be the most knowledgeable about the subject. My problem is that, although I have wanted once since they first started production at the airport, unfortunately I know little to nothing about what to look for or perhaps what I should be looking for.

I thought that if you wouldn't consider it to be too pushy, I could impose upon you to pick your brain and get your insight on what for me is a large investment. I would be more than happy to give you a call at your convenience and try and educate myself a little so I don't make a huge blunder on this little venture.

Thanks

Jim Shea
Sarasota, FL.

Jim:
It would be my pleasure. I've been involved with Shelby Mustangs for over 15 years.

Do you have a year or model in mind? A favorite body style?

If you are just wanting a Shelby, here are some thoughts. The best priced models from the point of cost are the 68-70 GT 350s. You can find those for low to mid $20,000. I own a 68 GT 350. I bought it because I happened to find one for sale 16 years ago. But the price has been holding around $25000, give or take a little depending on the buyer and seller and condition. Earlier small blocks are going to bring a premium  price. The hi-po 289 is more collectible. Big blocks are over $30000. Converts are even higher. I prefer a small block myself, and I never cared for the wind in my hair. It is going to be   hard to find one that you can buy to fix up. Most have already been restored.

Hemmings and SAAC are the best sources for Shelby cars that are for sale. Pick up a Hemmings and note the market prices.

How much are you wanting to spend? Are you handy with a wrench. These old cars need care. I just replaced the dual point ignition on mine with electronics. Can't tell it from the outside. I couldn't get it to run. It would start but no idle and a real rough engine. Come to find out it was the power valve in the Holley. Took me weeks to figure that out. I replaced the entire ignition system trying to narrow down the problem. It was the carb. I had the Holley rebuilt a couple of years ago but...

Getting gasoline today for the high compression engines is tough. Different people will tell you different ways to handle that. Basically one thing you might want to look for is to see if the valve seats in the heads were replaced with hardened seats. Someone long ago decided to put lead in the gas to lubricate the valve seats. Try to find leaded gas today. I am able to find leaded, hi-octane 104 airplane/racing/"off the road use only" gas in a couple of local stations here in Minneapolis. $3.50 a gallon. $45 to fill the tank. 92 octane lead free is not hi compression fuel. You can add octane booster to make it run better. So on a HOT motor it may be real attractive to have but not real practical.

I have a friend that has a 427 in a Camaro. He says it dynos out to 450 hp. He had it at a higher hp but found he couldn't drive it on the street. But the real problem is fuel for it. The big blocks are worse for this problem from what I understand from friends with them. This guy never drives his 427 Camaro. Cost too much plus he has to burn the racing fuel.

Some thoughts from an owner. I love my GT 350 and don't plan to sell it any time soon but its an old, obsolete car with old obsolete problems in today's world.

Don't forget you have to store the car. If you plan to keep it long term you need a place to park it. Winters are tough on old cars. I bought a house with a 2 car heated garage. My wife says I bought a garage with a house. I almost had her talked into a 4 car heated garage with a house.

Insurance is another issue. How do you insure a car like this? By the way few banks will use an old car like this for collateral for a loan. Hope that helps Dennis

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Completing restoration on a Shelby GT500 with a 427 side-oiler kicking out 500 Hp. Red with LE-MANS strips... knock your socks off beautiful.....Wondering if you would be interested in a picture?? John Huculak

Sure do. Send it to  Dennis, % The Car Source.com, 5115 Excelsior Blvd. Suite 202, Minneapolis MN 55416. Or email me the digital image. Include some information on the car, story stuff. If you need the pictures back please include a SASE. May I use your name as owner with no address, just your state? Add anything else you'd like to include about your car and you. Thanks Dennis

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Treve Willis wrote:

Hi, I saw in one of your articles a suggestion that I read about Ford's attempt to buy Ferrari, but I could not find it! Could you point me to the right address.

Also I read in David Hodges book about the GT40 that US car companies had an agreement to ban auto racing and anything to do with it through the Automobile Manufacturers Association in 1957, with Ford ripping up the agreement in 1962. Can you tell me anything about it? It is the first I have heard of such a prohibition.

I am interested in the history of motorsport and would appreciate any light you could throw on either of these two issues.

Treve Willis: Treve@tw-a.demon.co.uk

Technical and Marketing Consultancy, Chipping Norton, Oxon

Treve, There are lots more pages that need to be written and turned into HTMLs for The Car Source. BIG part time job.  The story containing Ford's discussions with Ferrari is not there at this time. I'll make an extra effort to get the rest of the pages up there.

Yes, Ford did agree not to participate in racing at that 1957 meeting as did all the other manufacturers. By 1962, GMs Corvette was being raced by a lot of independents and GM was selling a lot of cars. Now one wouldn't think that the fact that a Corvette won a car race on Sunday would cause someone to got a Chevy dealer on Monday and buy an Impala, but it was happening. Ford wanted a piece of that market. Carroll Shelby came to Ford at the right time, 1963. Ford was more than receptive. The key issue on the agreement was that the car companies would not financially support racing. It wasn't a safe use of cars, etc. Actually in those years Ford was not really offering much as a production sports car, especially one like the Corvette. A Falcon sports version was offered.

As for the GT 40, even though Shelby's Cobras were winning races, they were hybrids not true Fords. Ford power only. Ford wanted a Ford car to win races. After taking a long look at the situation, as a big company with more money than they know what to do with, decided it was a better business decision to buy a winning team rather than start from scratch and build one. Ferrari was the most winning team. Representatives from Ford made an offer to Enzo to buy him lock stock and barrell. The agreement said Ford would take over the manufacturing of Ferrari's, Enzo would continue to run the racing team. Enzo said he needed some time to think about it and by the way, Ford had to terminate its relationship with that upstart Texan named Carroll Shelby. During the time Ferrari took to get back to Ford, common sense prevailed and Ford decided to go after its own race team, the GT 40.

Thanks for the request for information. The Carroll Shelby Story is pretty interesting. It reflects not only a colorful character but also what was impacting the automobile industry at that time. Those things left lasting impacts on the buyers and manufacturers. Dennis

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John, Great to hear from you. Thanks for the comments. I'd love to put you and   your car on my pages. I don't know anyone that is an original owner of any Shelby car. I'm a second owner. I have most of the Shelby pages linked. I do have a few others that I haven't linked yet. I'll try to get those up. there aren't a lot of Shelby cars pages out there. Have you tried to do a search? Dennis

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Bullit67@aol.com wrote:

Hello, I am making a 65 Fastback GT into a Shelby GT-350 clone.... I want to get the paint correct. I need to know how I can get my hands on the Guardsman Blue for the stripes and if Wimbledon White is hard to get......??? need some help....oh yeah and should the stripes be painted first and then the white or visa versa........thanks..  Christian

Christian, A Shelby Clone? White with Blue Stripes like the 65's? The easiest way is to take the paint codes from the two colors to a place that sells paint and they can match the colors based on the codes. All colors of paint are mixtures of other colors. On a new paint job even if the shade is off a tiny bit, you won't notice it like I did on my red '68 GT 350. It got slightly hit by the fender of a van when he was backing out and he cut it too soon. Says he didn't see the car. Anyway, the paint had been on the car for 15 years. Stored inside and covered. Matching that color was pretty impossible to the existing paint so you couldn't see it. We mixed and mixed to get real close. If I'd repainted the entire car it would have been almost easier, except for the prep work of course. Any way just take the paint codes to a reputable auto paint shop and they can help. Heck you might find someone that was around in those years.

As for painting the stripes. Originally all the stripes were painted on existing white paint. You could have any color you wanted as long as it was white.  You are aware aren't you that the stripes are not perfect rectangles? In fact they taper. I have the specs just didn't think to put them on the net. Be a good idea wouldn't it? Thanks for asking. Dennis

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Hi Dennis,
A friend put me on to your Shelby web page and I had a chance to see your GT 350 and picture of you. Both looked great! I think your page is super and I am really glad to have found it. Do you know of any Shelby pages not already linked to your site?

I am the proud and (interestingly enough) original owner of a lime green 1968 GT 500 KR convertible. I expect I am one of a very small group of original owners left around. As you know well there were only the 318 built in the first place, and I would be surprised if there are more than 4 or 5 left in the original owners hands. Do you know of any??

Great to see your page. I'll get a picture of my car scanned in and send it to you soon.   Best Regards Jack Doherty

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BeanO213@aol.com wrote:

Please inform me of any Shelby Colbra 427 that is for sale. Preferably Blue with White racing stripes down the middle. ANY CONDITION!!!!!!!!!  $40,000 spending limit!!!!!!!!! Maybe more!?!? E-Mail Calvin613@aol.com or Bean O 213@aol   THANK YOU

Bean, I don't know of any specifically for sale. Check out the SAAC newsletter or Hemmings for "For Sale" ads. Finding a 289 Cobra for $40K would be a good if not great deal. You could probably add some 10's to your figure for a small block. The 427's bring premiums dollars. Plus, unless you just love all that horse power, the 427s are awesome if not too awesome. Not for the feint of heart. The small block is a much more streetable car. Either way I doubt if $40K will get you one, a real one that is. That is more of the price range of a replica. Dennis

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Hi, Not sure if you could help but it doesn't hurt to ask.   A friend of mine has been after me to sell him my 1968, tunnel port engine. It has the dollar sign crank with hand stamped serial serial # ,lemans rods, 12.5 to 1 dyke ringed pistons and of course tunnel port heads. If I where to consider selling do you have an idea what it may be worth? Thank you for your anticipated help. CRH67@aol.com Charlie

Charlie, I understand now. Did your '67 Mustang come stock with the 427? Are you wanting to sell the car and the engine? 3,500 miles since it was new in 1967 or rebuilt? Is it a '67 engine? Is it streetable? What do you have to set the idle at?

If you want to sell the car as well, is it a fastback, 4 speed, big block car, GT? What color inside and out?

Got any pictures of the car we can post on the car source. How about a story? You must have some interesting stories about this car and that engine. Dennis

Dennis,  You may have missed that this Engine is a big block 427 FE. However to answer some of your questions here goes.
1. the motor is in excellent condition since it was rebuilt about a  year ago.
2. it was last run 8/9/98 since it is in my 67 GT Mustang.
3. I have owned it for the last 25 years.
4. The whole Engine was a service block & new parts from Ford.
5. the engine probable has about 3,500 miles on it since it was  new.
I hope this will help to find it's possible worth, If you need more  information   just contact me and I will get back to you as soon as I can,
Thanks for helping out in the matter. Charlie


Charlie,
There is a market for the engine. 427's are hard to find, especially with tunnel port heads. The 351 is a more practical engine based on size, weight and hp you can get from an engine. But a 427 is the mother of all Ford engines. Its a buyer and seller market. I would say your 427 is worth $1,000 of dollars. How much I would hate to venture a guess. $5,000+. Check what a Boss 302 engine is bringing on the market place. Myself, I'd be more interested in a small block, but there are lots of people that love the big block. Look at the prices of a 1967-68 GT 350
vs. a GT 500. If you are looking to maximize the value advertise in SAAC's newsletter or Hemmings. Your car would not be the car it is now without the 427. What is it worth to you to keep it? It makes your Fastback worth more in my opinion. Especially since it was a big block car. Of course there are people that prefer stock Mustangs to modified. I'm not one of those. My '66 Mustang coupe has a real hot 302 in it. runs like a scared rabbit and the rare "industrial engine" in it is not for sale. Came from an English TVR in 1970. So yes you have something there worth more than pocket change, probably worth as much as your Mustang alone with a 390. I'd say it adds $1,000 of dollars to the value of your Mustang. I talked to a couple of Mustang friends who felt your 427 may be too much for the street and would appeal to a select group of motorheads who want that awesome horsepower in their cars. To them its a must have. Hope that helps. Dennis

CRH67@aol.com wrote:

Dennis,  The car is a 1967 GT Mustang fast back. It came originally with a 390 ci. The car has 36,000 miles on it from new, however I'm not looking to sell the car. What I'm trying to do is see if it's worth me pulling the 427 out of it and selling it or just leave it alone. The engine is streetable now and I do run it since it's in my car and I do take it out on occasion. The idle is set at about 750 rpm. The engine is a 1968 and has about 3,500 mile on it and about 150 miles on it since it was rebuilt.  I was just wondering if there was a market for my engine since I have  seen alot of Shelby kits around lately and they originally had 427's . I have  yet to see a big block in any of them. It seems most guy's are putting 351,s  in most.  Thanks Charli
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hey Dennis, I am in the market for a cherry 67 GT 500. I have been looking for a couple of weeks and have found -0- Could you possibly tell me a good source to look   for one. Thank You  tim9888

Your best bet is the Hemmings or the SAAC newsletter & club Dennis

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hey Dennis-- Great site! Any help you can give me on locating a 67 350 for sale would be  great. Just thought I'd ask since it appears you are connected quite well.  I'm looking for a driver in the 25K range.  Thanks
Dave

Thanks for the comments. It will be greater and greater. Don't know of a 67 small block. That's my favorite too, even though I have a 68 small block. I'll be putting up a wanted and for sale soon. I'll make that a priority. How did you find the car source? Dennis

Who is Dennis Begley
and why am I doing this page?


I am the fortunate owner a 1968 Shelby Cobra GT 350. I've been a long term Ford Mustang fan but owning this car gave me the Shelby fever. I have been an enthusiast of Carroll Shelby & his cars and a member of the Shelby American Automobile Club (SAAC) ever since. This page is an unofficial source of information on and promotion of Carroll Shelby & his cars and a link to the other Shelby Sites on the 'Net. My contribution to the legend. Thank you Carroll Shelby for your vision, the legend and the great cars.

 


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